[Frak]

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So, I'm using Ubuntu because, in my opinion, Java seemed to be a bit easier on Linux than on Windows. If I had a Mac, I would be going that route. OK, there's my motivation. I have a Java programming contest I will be attending in March that I am preparing for, so I am re-honing my skills before I go. I go to Dietzel&Dietzel (or however the fuck you spell it) and order the hardback copy of Java; How To Program. I also order the PDF, but when I answer my email for the PDF, it says the server is down. Well, I need it now, so I go to TPB to pull down a previous edition of the book. Since I already ordered the book, I personally think it's fine. Anyhow, TPB took down their trackers, as well should all recall, and replaced them with Distributed Hash Tables. Well, Transmission in Ubuntu uses a half-shot version of DHT that doesn't work. The only two apps that run in Linux that support DHT properly are Azureus and uTorrent. OK, so I go get Wine, and try to install uTorrent. uTorrent gets to "Install now" and then fails miserably. The WineHQ page says that they used the version through WineHQ's PPA. OK, so I add the PPA. I purge Wine, do sudo apt-get update, and then try to install Wine again. It gives me an error saying the dependency needed is what it is trying to install. Guh, whatever. I go through update manager that informs me that I can do a partial upgrade, whatever. It installs everything, and then informs me that the exact packages IT JUST INSTALLED are obsolete and need to be removed. I cancel the prompt, stop wineserver, and restart winecfg. I install uTorrent again, it still fails. So, for one, the WineHQ page on uTorrent is spouting utter bullshit. This is a stock Ubuntu install, using stock programs that the guide suggests. It doesn't work, period. So I go with Azureus.

I install ubuntu-restricted-extras, which should include the proprietary applications I need. I then install Azureus, which is just a metapackage of Vuze that goes straight to the torrent when launched. It all installs fine, I start Vuze, it comes up saying my version of Vuze is old, Whatever. I wait a few seconds and IT FUCKING CRASHES. The version of Java they recommend for Vuze is OpenJDK. OpenJDK CANNOT RUN VUZE. They have done 0 testing to make sure it fills the gap, which doesn't surprise me one bit of the packaging team.

Case in point, I said fuck it and am about to install Fedora.

[Vince]

Frak, get Fedora on there.

Install Java from the Sun Site, be done with it, simple. 

[Frak]

Working on it. I'm going to attempt writing a DVD in Ubuntu. Wish me luck.

[Enalicho]

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

will fix the dependency problem. And maybe if you install wine using the --no-install-recommends flag.

[Queue29]

Frak, on 30 January 2010 - 07:36 PM, said:

Java seemed to be a bit easier on Linux than on Windows

The fuck?

You mean adding the java bin directory to the PATH environment variable or setting up IDE's to work with it?

[Frak]

Queue29, on 30 January 2010 - 01:47 PM, said:

The fuck?

You mean adding the java bin directory to the PATH environment variable or setting up IDE's to work with it?

I'm a command-line guy, and I like Bash more than the default Windows command prompt. Installation of java is much more difficult than Windows, I'll admit, but I like working with the bash/dash/zsh shells more.

@NoaHall
Dist-upgrade wanted to remove gnome.

[Vince]

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Dist-upgrade wanted to remove gnome.

Typical.

You got Fedora up and running yet, make sure to untick the OpenJDK stuff at install time on the DVD. 

[Enalicho]

Frak, on 30 January 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

I'm a command-line guy, and I like Bash more than the default Windows command prompt. Installation of java is much more difficult than Windows, I'll admit, but I like working with the bash/dash/zsh shells more.

@NoaHall
Dist-upgrade wanted to remove gnome.

Well, that's fucked. Let me try and remember if there's a flag which will stop that...

You could always pin it with Synaptic, or with this -

echo "package_name hold"|dpkg --set-selections 

Screw it. Use Fedora.

[vanilla]

Frak, on 30 January 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

OK, so I go get Wine, and try to install uTorrent. uTorrent gets to "Install now" and then fails miserably

"wine utorrent.exe /noinstall" might have worked around this, but I've switched to running Windows in KVM for running µTorrent.

[Frak]

vanilla, on 30 January 2010 - 02:41 PM, said:

"wine utorrent.exe /noinstall" might have worked around this, but I've switched to running Windows in KVM for running µTorrent.

I'm on Windows now running Fedora in a VM. Good enough.

[TheShark]

I'm a little late to this one, but I recommend Fedora 10. F11 and F12 were too quirky for me to use. Just my {opinion|experience}.

[Vince]

Fedora 10 was one of the best Linux OS releases from any distro on my computer. It's going to be the base of RHEL 6 so that will be fun. 

[TheShark]

Vince, on 30 January 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

Fedora 10 was one of the best Linux OS releases from any distro on my computer. It's going to be the base of RHEL 6 so that will be fun. 

Yeah, I hope the next CentOS isn't far behind its release.

[Vince]

Frak, I've installed Fedora in a VM, applied all the required updates, installed JRE and JDK and turned off networking. I used the Gnome version because I don't need KDE for that stuff.